The BIG Test report for ECC83 - E83CC - 12AX7 - ECC803S

Read here what is a real ECC803S or not

First we start with this standard data, from the Muiderkirng book. This data sheet shows the way an ideal tube would bias. The complete book you find on www.4tubes.com.

Next we show the curves, these are from the General Electric data sheet, and most other Data sheets you'll find are the same. So the following critics is not for GE only, it is for all of those faked data sheets, these are most of them.

 

 

Here is a detail from the same data sheet. Look at those nice, parallel lines, with their well defined cut off points. So the lines do not point all to some vanishing point, as with real life tubes. The distance between each line is the same, regardless where you look. This means the tube has no distortion. Now with amplifying devices, distortion and gain go hand in hand. So for a tube with very high (100x) gain, some distortion is NORMAL. However not so when looking at those GE Data sheets here. Wow! they have no distortion. How did they do that? Well for drawing such curves they used a flexible ruler. That is a plastic bar, with lead inside, and you can nicely bend it in any desired shape to draw curves. Anyway, these curves show how an ideal tube must look like, but how ideal are they in real life? Lets see what I measured with the AT1000 curve tracer, and a nice collection of NOS and NEW made tubes.

GENERAL IMPORTANT REMARKS ABOUT ECC83:

Ever since I test NOS ECC83 and 12AX7, I find that the average of new production is not at 1.2mA as by the text book. The average is always around 1.1mA. Also for new tubes, and 1.0mA is normal too. And don't ask me why that is, but it is so with NOS and NEW tubes. The dictionary definition of "normal" is: "occurring most often". So this somewhat lower current must accepted as normal, and in a good auto bias circuit, such tubes bias completely normal, at the correct values.

The test data was taken with the Amplitrex AT1000. This digital unit has 10 bit resolution at full scale, which is 0.1% but specially at the end of the scale resolution gets kind of "digital" so it shows "steps", which can be seen at the lower end of some curves. The low scale is 10mA, so digital steps are 0.01mA. No problem at 10mA, but it gets visible below 0.5mA of course. Also the transconductance is always ending on "00". So steps are like 1500, 1600, 1700, etc, and a tube with 1600 -1700 on both systems is in reality for instance 1641 -1692. No problem, as long as we know it. I verified the AT1000 results against the higher resolution Russian L3-3 and the AT1000 is very accurate.

When you compare the graph with the test data, of course you will find the test data from the table in the curves, since it's from the same tube. The curves are made from System1 , not System2 . Look just above the number 195 at the blue line. The measured value is right above that number 195. So not at the left or the right. It's a bit unusual, but it's how the AT1000 works, the software for the graphs is a Microsoft module, called MSCHART, the Amplitrex builder told me, so that explains it.

ABOUT ECC83 TEST DATA IN GENERAL:

Look at the test data. The tube is set for -2Volt grid, and then at 250V plate the tube is tested So the plate current is exactly 1.2mA on both systems. This is no "Must", and in reality most tubes have a deviation of +/- 0,3mA and are fine tubes still. Also Tesla can have some deviation. The transconductance is exactly right 1.6m/V. Next thing is something O observed more often: Gain is a bit lower at around 80...85x. I don't know what that is, but I seldom find an ECC83 with a gain if 100x and when I do, it's a bit funny testing tube anyway. Plate impedance is a bit lower than average, this is normal too, and plate impedance goes up somewhat while a tube ages, and transconductance goes down. These two things together keep the gain constant while the tube ages, since gain is Rp x transconductance. So the data table is very nice

TUBE CURVES

Each tube curve by itself is a genetic fingerprint, meaning it holds the data for the other curves too. So we draw only tree curves, it is enough, and otherwise the plotting of all those curves would take too long.

 

 

NOW FOR THE BIG ECC83 / 12AX7 TEST:

 

 

TESLA E83C

 

 

What you see here, is the reference tube. No other tube, including the Telefunken ECC83 comes even near to it. The curves are even better as the cosmetically improved General Electric curves.

What do we see?

  • Look in detail, the GE curves start to be straight above 0.5mA. (So the theoretical GE curves I mean. The real GE curves, you'll see later). Not so for the TESLA. I think the TESLA lines are straight above 0.3mA already.
  • The Tesla curves show indeed a nice, and clear cut of point. Not even in the GE curves they dared pencil that in. They just left that open. Now only the TESLA and the TELEFUNKEN actually have a nice cut off point like this.
  • Distortion. For that go to a normal voltage, say 200V and go from the red to the green line, and then from the green line to the red line. If that distance is not the same, that means distortion. For a real curve construction of the distortion you need to pencil in the load line, but for comparing two tubes, just to see which one is better, you can leave the load line away.

TESLA E83CC Conclusion: QUALITY IS NO ACCIDENT

The JJ E83CC is coming out with the nicest tube curves of all, it really is outdoing any other tested tube by far.

Positive: Lowest distortion can be expected from this tube, no sound coloring.

Negative: The price perhaps.

 

 

JJ-E83CC

First thing we see with the JJ is the remarkable difference between the system 1 and 2. This comes from not well adjusted tools in production, or perhaps from other reasons, but whatever the cause, the tube systems 1 and 2 are mechanically not the same. It is a matter of taste if you tolerate this.

JJ-E83CC

The curves are not really bad, but do not compare to the NOS TESLA. Note, the JJ E83CC is a mechanical copy of the TESLA E83C. So what we see here, we have a NEW production JJ, and the curves are less nice as an NOS TESLA that was unused in the box for 40 years.

  • Compare it analytical, you see the JJ blue curve is not a straight line, at any position. The green line is better, but will not meet the quality of the TESLA original. The red line is ok
  • The angle of the red line and the blue line is quite different, whereas with the TESLA these are much more identical.

JJ E83CC Conclusion:

The JJ E83CC is not a bad tube, it plays in the same league as any other usual NOS tube. However that means it does not have the superb quality of the historical example, as made by TESLA.

Positive: Price and availability.

Negative: Electrically, this is no E83CC. When you write E83CC on a tube, it should test like one. However, the tube test like any plain normal ECC83. No problem, if you know this. (but did you?)

 

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Telefunken ECC83

Telefunken ECC83

This is a new out of the box Telefunken, with older Type black on white box. On the bottom is a special sticker with pink ink saying 22.4.1950. I wasn't seen born then. So here comes this tube out of the box, and I put it on the Amplitrex AT1000. It shows one triode has another plate current. The difference is 0.4mA. It is as much as the JJ, which have a bit of a bad reputation for this. However we must stay realistic, we can not retro-define a new standard. Such deviations were normal 60 years ago, as we can see from this NOS. For the rest, this tube is pretty much average with the data. Simply good, no more and no less. The good thing of the Telefunken is the very high lifetime expectation, lowest hum and lowest noise. For more constant parameters, the TFK ECC80S is the tube, since ECC803S is defines as having maximum 15% Deviation. (Per Triode that is, so 30% between the two)

TELEFUNKEN ECC83 Conclusion:

Mmm. I expected this tube to come out superb,. but it comes out just good.

Positive: Lifetime is hard to test, but the legend says this tube has the highest lifetime of all. I have tested this tube in my Hammond organ, on a VERY him sensitive position, in the Reverb amplifier, which has AC heated filaments. The outcome is, the Telefunken ECC83 , together with TESLA E83CC are the winners, giving NO hum at all.

Electro Harmonix ECC83

 

Electro Harmonix ECC83

This is a nice tube. They make this tube with slightly different data on purpose, to get a special kind of distortion, in amplifiers for electric guitar, which their chief engineer JC Morrison refereed to me as "brown sound". For HiFi purposes, you must use the normal ones, of what I get supplied. I select and sort those out in tubes for guitar amps, and normal HiFi tubes. What you see here is a HiFi tube, the 12AX7-EH-GB. (GB for Gold - Balanced. So the tube curves are normal. The transconductance is a little bit on the high end with 1800 instead of 1600. But you see... here comes the paranoia of some tube lovers. Suppose I select for you those that show highest transconductance, you would prefer to have those. And such with lower transconductance would be hard to sell. So what is Electro Harmonics doing, they understand the paranoia, and make them right off the factory for you with higher transconductance in the first place. Mmmm.... hard to say something about it. Perhaps you want me to select the ones with lower transconductance now? So you see the best value is the original value, and not any "higher" value. And then allow +/- 30% variation on it. Look at the Telefunken ECC83, same situation. So see it like that, and 1800 mMho is a fine value.

Electro Harmonics 12AX7 Conclusion:

Simply a fine tube for a reasonable price.

Positive: Nice appearance and good availability.

Negative: HiFi grade tubes need to be selected from normal factory lots with care. Very few dealers have a qualified tester for that, and say they don't need it. They are right, if the buyers don' ask for it This can cause disappointment.

 

 
 
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